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Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Stefan Blaser, 06-03-2012 13:12
Hello everybody

I hope that anyone can help me with a tiny pyrenomycete with rather special and therefore characteristical spores. It was found on dead hanging branches of Carpinus betulus.
Description: Perithecia ovoid, flattened with a nonbeaked ostiolar opening.  About 0.5 x 0.2 mm.  Perithecia are immersed in small groups below the thin cortex and only the ostiolar opening is sometimes just visible. A common stroma has not been observed.
Microscopy: Asci 170-190 x 15-18 micrometer. An Apical apparatus could not be observed (not in water nor Kongo nor Iodine nor lactophenolblue). The spores are presumably muriform consisting of 8(?) cells (see photos). The apical cells are hyaline, while the inner cells are somewhat brownish with big greenish oildrops in each. Size is about 37-45 x 13-16 micrometers. Paraphyses are filiform with a diameter of only about 2 micrometers.
Any clue is very welcome.


Thank you very much


Stefan

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Ueli Graf, 06-03-2012 20:49
Ueli Graf
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Hallo Stefan,
ich denke es könnte Stilbospora macrosperma sein.
Die Sporenmasse stimmen mit deinen Angaben überein und sind 3- Fach septiert.
Was meinst du dazu? Hast du noch ein Foto vom Pilz?

Gruss Ueli Graf
Stefan Blaser, 06-03-2012 22:01
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Hallo Ueli

Das denke ich nicht, es sei denn von Stilbospora gibt es eine Hauptfruchtform die so aussieht?? Aber Stilbospora ist ja eine Nebenfruchtform mit Konidienbildung, währenddem ich ganz klar Ascosporen habe. Zudem sind die Sporen bei mir so weit ich das beurteilen kann sowohl Längs- als auch querseptiert.
Der Pilz ist so klein, dass ich mit meinen fotografischen Möglichkeiten kaum ein aussagekräftiges Bild machen kann...

Grüsse
Stefan
Alain GARDIENNET, 07-03-2012 11:56
Alain GARDIENNET
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Not a Stilbospora which is a coelomycete.
Perhaps you should look towards bitunicate ascomycetes from freshwater. There are a lot of genus and some of ones have bicolor ascospores.
Alain
But is it really bitunicate ?
Adrian Carter, 07-03-2012 12:59
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Hello All:

Your photos are excellent! I wonder if your fungus could be Fenestella bipapillata (Tul.) Sacc. A description and illustration can be found in Berlese Vol II p.76 Tab CVIII. The species probably does not represent a Fenestella in the modern sense but otherwise it seems to a good match.


M.E. Barr (Mycotaxon 18: 149-157, 1983) describes a N.Am. species, Dictyoporthe canadensis, that is similar but with smaller spores. Perhaps Fenestella bipapillata is better accomodated in Dictyoporthe.


I hope you find this information useful.


Adrian Carter
Alain GARDIENNET, 07-03-2012 14:44
Alain GARDIENNET
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Yes, Adrian is right ! See in the attached file.
Congratulations to you, it's a nice collection.
Alain
Stefan Blaser, 07-03-2012 18:59
Dictyoporthe bipapillata on Carpinus betulus branches identified!
Hi all
Dictyoporthe bipapillata fits very well. Thanks for your help!
Ueli Graf, 07-03-2012 19:39
Ueli Graf
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Hallo Stefan,
ja da habe ich auch wieder etwas gelernt bei diesem Interesanten Ascomyceten.

Gruss ueli
Hiran Hiran Anjana Ariyawansa, 27-03-2012 16:33
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
hmmm for me spores are bit similar with Bimuria but i am not sure if you dont mind can you please send me a peace of specimen soo i can do molecular work and morphology anlysis hmmm i was looking for this for a long time can you please send it to me
Thanks
Hiran
ariyawansa44@gmail.com
Björn Wergen, 27-03-2012 16:37
Björn Wergen
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
I will send you, Hiram, this would be no problem. I hope you will find some living spores there, otherwise Stefan should collect some new fruitbodies.

regards,
björn
Hiran Hiran Anjana Ariyawansa, 27-03-2012 16:42
Re : Pyrenomycete on Carpinus betulus branches
Thanks a lot Bjorn
I was searching for the type so if this tally with it hmmmm great 
I look forward to hearing from you soon
Thanks
Regards
Hiran