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14-07-2008 10:57

Hans-Otto Baral Hans-Otto Baral

Bon jour from La Dame de Chambrille, thick Clem

14-07-2008 01:45

Patrice TANCHAUD

Pas de sclérote visible. Apothécies 4mm maxi.

12-07-2008 22:55

Enrique Rubio Enrique Rubio

J'ai l'envoyé a Zotto Baral et il me dit: Dear E

08-07-2008 10:33

Alain GARDIENNET Alain GARDIENNET

Comme j'ai de la chance et des interlocuteurs symp

08-07-2008 08:36

Alain GARDIENNET Alain GARDIENNET

Rebonjour, c'est la suite, spéciale JPP. Mon orb

07-07-2008 23:08

Alain GARDIENNET Alain GARDIENNET

Bonsoir, Je n'ai pas l'habitude de ces minis peti

07-07-2008 14:55

Alain GARDIENNET Alain GARDIENNET

...un asco que je trouve peu ordinaire. Des petit

06-07-2008 17:09

Alain GARDIENNET Alain GARDIENNET

Bonjour à vous, J'ai trouvé sur branche de prun

04-07-2008 22:15

Christian Lechat Christian Lechat

Chers amis, j e suis heureux de vous annoncer que

02-07-2008 00:00

NC NC

Bonsoir à tous, La dernière fiche d'ASCOfrance

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Dothideomycete on Clematis
Hans-Otto Baral, 14-07-2008 10:57
Hans-Otto BaralBon jour

from La Dame de Chambrille, thick Clematis branch 1.8 m above ground, decorticated, very rotten, soc. Hyalorbilia guttulata (leg. Stip Helleman).

Bitunicate ascomycete with smooth perithecia and muriform hyaline spores *48-50 x 12.5-13.5 µm.

has anybody any idea?

Zotto
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Hans-Otto Baral, 14-07-2008 10:58
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
microscopy
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Christian Lechat, 14-07-2008 12:32
Christian Lechat
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Hi Zotto,
did you look for in the Pleomassaria genus?
Hans-Otto Baral, 17-07-2008 10:54
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Hi Christian

For Pleomassaria I find only two species (in Munk), with brown spores. Can you tell me any literature? Maybe my species gets brown spores when overmature?

Zotto
Christian Lechat, 17-07-2008 11:45
Christian Lechat
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Hi, Zotto,
I send a key of Pleomassaria species to you.
Hans-Otto Baral, 19-07-2008 21:25
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Hi Christian

I have problems with that genus. The spores of Pleomassaria are brown at maturity, very thick-walled with "ocellate" cell lumina, and a sheath around. Also the perithecia are subperidermal and host- specific. Here my old drawing from DVD (Pleomassaria carpini, HB 1601.jpg). With your key I don't arrive at a good result.
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Hans-Otto Baral, 19-07-2008 21:31
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Here images of the asci of the Clematis find, this time in dead state (KOH, KOH + IKI). Asci are 4-8-spored, Dead spores measure 43-55 x 11-13 µm. Perith. 0.3-0.4 mm diam., somewhat conical. The lipid in the spore cells is fused to one globose LB while the cell wall is difficult to see but clearly thin-walled.

Zotto
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Hans-Otto Baral, 19-07-2008 21:34
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Perithecium in section (difficult because carbonaceous)
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Christian Lechat, 20-07-2008 10:42
Christian Lechat
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Ho yes, hyalin ascospores , so, you should look in Macrospora and Pyrenophora genera
Hans-Otto Baral, 26-07-2008 13:06
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
I sent my images to Walter Jaklitsch, and he suggested that the collection fits best to Teichosporella cervariensis Sacc. et Berl. (figured in Berlese). But I did not yet see this description. He also mentioned that Macrospora, Pyrenophora, Leptosphaerulina, Wettsteinina, Pseudoplea, etc.
grow on grasses and leaves, have minute ascomata with only few asci,
and spores with mostly few septa and getting brown at least with age

Zotto
Christian Lechat, 26-07-2008 15:46
Christian Lechat
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
the ascomata of Teichosporella are "apothecioid" according to M.E. Barr, it's why I asked a section to you. Berlese watch of perithecioid ascomata, there is a problem!!
There are numerous features in you collection which fits to this genus, specialy the ascospores but I don't know if it is Teichosporella genus.
Christian
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Hans-Otto Baral, 26-07-2008 17:19
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
Oh thanks, I received only the text, here it is.

Walter suggested the genus Julella as a first place for this cervariensis, a genus which comprises also lichenized taxa.

Zotto
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Christian Lechat, 26-07-2008 18:18
Christian Lechat
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
did you see a gel coating around the ascospore? because it is a feature of Julella genus
Hans-Otto Baral, 26-07-2008 22:42
Hans-Otto Baral
Re:Dothideomycete on Clematis
As visible on the water mounts made in Melle, there is no perceptible gel sheath.

Zotto