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Eupropolella en Iris pseudacorus
Javier Ormad, 14-03-2014 22:40
Javier Ormad¡Hola a todos!
Apotecios intradérmicos foliares, que se distinguen por manchas oscuras en la superficie de la hoja, de hasta 0.5 mm de diámetro. Picnidios, con ostiolos negruzcos y algunos con banda circular blanquecina, que engloban a un himenio formado por sustancia de color naranja.
Hifas con gútulas. Esporas fusiformes, con 4-5 grandes gútulas en su interior y algunos con restos adheridos de células hifales, de 13.15 x 3-4 micras. Membrana de pared, con textura angularis y con inclusiones en algunas células.
En hojas secas de Iris pseudacorus.
Me parece Eupropolella celata.
¿Que os parece a vosotros?
Saludos

Hi to all!
Apothecia foliar intradermal, distinguished by dark spots on the surface of the sheet up to 0.5 mm in diameter. Pycnidial, with blackish ostioles and some banded circular whitish hymenium encompassing a substance consisting of orange.
Gútulas hyphae. Fusiform spores 4-5 gútulas large inside and some with adherent cells of hyphal, 13.15 x 3-4 microns. Membrane wall with texture angularis with inclusions in some cells.
In leaves of Iris pseudacorus.
I think Eupropolella celata.
What you think about you?
Best regards!

Javier
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Hans-Otto Baral, 14-03-2014 23:18
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Eupropolella en Iris pseudacorus
Hola Javier

where did you read about an anamorph? Euprop. celata is a synonym of Hysternaevia scirpina. I know this only from the teleomorph.

Zotto
Javier Ormad, 14-03-2014 23:49
Javier Ormad
Re : Eupropolella en Iris pseudacorus
Teleomorph Deuteromycota, sure!
I got confused with the terms of anamorph!
I'm starting with these. I will correct, but not if i do it well!
Best Regards
Luc Bailly, 14-03-2014 23:56
Luc Bailly
Re : Eupropolella en Iris pseudacorus
Hi Javier,
Sure it's on Iris and not on Carex pendula or another large Carex?
EDIT: Nag Raj lists it on Iris also.
The colors of conidia's in mass (orange), that of the peridium (bottle green) and the shape & size of conidia's remind me of Neottiospora caricina that's common here in Belgian Ardenne on Carex pendula.
See Nag Raj, attached pages.
The mucus ring at one end of the conidia's is well visible in the photos you posted.

Cheers, hope this helps - LUC.
Javier Ormad, 15-03-2014 00:45
Javier Ormad
Re : Eupropolella en Iris pseudacorus
Hi Luc!
I think it's Iris pseudacorus, yellow blooming lilies in season. I send picture.
Looking Nag Raj, is an excellent possibility. Would anamorph .....
Thanks

Javier
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Luc Bailly, 15-03-2014 01:57
Luc Bailly
Re : Neottiospora caricina on Carex pendula.
Hi Javier,
The host is indeed Carex pendula, with carenate leaves: http://cdrfdr.pagesperso-orange.fr/Valbonne/BOT/FE_Carex%20pendula/laiche1jean%20tosti%20gen.jpg
Iris pseudacorus has almost flat and much broader leaves: http://lesjardinsdepomone.be/wp-content/gallery/impblog/dyn009_original_450_338_jpeg_2617294_0b51fe984bf488791c00206b5c61d2cc.jpg

As for Neottiospora caricina, it's an anamorph, a coelomycete, and one of the easiest ones to distinguish IMHO: you can't miss its colors.
The latest photo you posted of the conidia's is very typical.

Cheers - LUC.
Javier Ormad, 15-03-2014 16:08
Javier Ormad
Re : Eupropolella en Iris pseudacorus
Fixed error. Carex pendula. Then I remembered from summer yellow lilies in that area and had related.
Again thank you very much, Luc

Javier