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29-06-2019 06:05

Lothar Krieglsteiner Lothar Krieglsteiner

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greenish morel from Spain
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 29-06-2019 06:05
Lothar Krieglsteiner

... found 15.3.19, National Park Monfrague, under Arbutus and Quercus ilex some distance away, on likely quite acid soil.


The greenish tint seems distinctive. Does somebody have an idea of the species?


Unfortunately, the only one ascoma was fully unripe, even after a week of keeping (in Portugal then).


Best regards, Lothar

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Martin Bemmann, 29-06-2019 09:57
Martin Bemmann
Re : greenish morel from Spain
Hallo Lothar,

es gab eine Morchella viridis Leuba 1890. Inzwischen ist sie zu M. esculenta synonymisiert.

Grüße

Martin
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Lothar Krieglsteiner, 29-06-2019 11:23
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : greenish morel from Spain

Hallo Martin,


vielen Dank für die interessante Tafel!


Ich denke aber, dass mein Pilz keine Speisemorchel (esculenta), sondern eher eine Spitzmorchel (elata s.l.) ist.


Bei meinen Recherchen bin ich auf M. eximioides gestoßen,die grünliche Töne haben soll, aber wohl bisher nur in Nordeuropa gefunden wurde (?).


Viele Grüße, Lothar


 

Martin Bemmann, 29-06-2019 20:43
Martin Bemmann
Re : greenish morel from Spain
Dear Lothar,

I continue in English to include possibly more discussants.

I don't find your collection that far from Leuba's fig. 3.

The synonomy with esculenta happened a long time ago:

Morchella viridis Leuba 1890, 90, pl. XLVI 3-5
= Morilla villica var. virescens Quél. 1902, 496
= Morchella esculenta var. viridis (Leuba) Saccardo, Sylloge Fungorum XVIII: 2 (1906)
= Morchella esculenta (L.) Pers. 1801, (synon. in Traverso Syll. Fung. XX: 117 (1911))

Does anybody know of a publication reconsidering Leuba's species?

Best regards

Martin
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 30-06-2019 13:06
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : greenish morel from Spain

Hello Martin,


yes - English is good, maybe others have to contribute.


My specimen has a clear ditch (this is a translation from the German "Graben" - I mean a cavity between the "cap" and the stem) and so should belong to the conica-goup (former Section Distantes).


You are right, the one picture of M. viridis looks similar and the actual rating as a synonym of M. esculenta does not say a lot.


So - why not M. viridis as a working name.


Best regards, Lothar

Michel Hairaud, 03-07-2019 10:49
Michel Hairaud
Re : greenish morel from Spain

Hi Lothar and everyone,


Here is an answer from Philippe CLowez to whom I transferred the link . (his mail pharmacie.clowez@orange.fr">pharmacie.clowez@orange.fr) . Amitiés. Michel


En ce qui la morille avec des nuances vertes :


1) -Ces nuances sont caractéristiques d'un certain groupe de morilles = la stirpe inamoena-pulchella


-Le chapeau triangulaire avec peu d'alvéoles secondaires d'une hauteur sensiblement égale au chapeau va aussi dans ce sens


-L'écologie devrait être sous Populus.


-Les spores devraient être caractéristiques de grande longueur (environ 26-28 µm) avec des rainures type sillons barbelés profonds.


-Odeur de fromage ?


-Portugal = thermophile.


2) Si les spores ne sont pas cela, que l'écologie est différente, il existe une petite morille qui pourrait correspondre mais qui n'est signalée qu'à Chypre et en Grèce = Morchella disparilis.


Bien amicalement. Phil

Lothar Krieglsteiner, 03-07-2019 15:07
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : greenish morel from Spain

Hello Michel,


thank you very much für your mediation.


Please say thanks to Mr. Clowez for his opinion.


Perhaps I will write him a mail.


But first my comments:


We do not remember a Populus standing near the morel - and we think we would have noted. If we once again come there, we will have a closer look, but we noticed only Arbutus and a with a bit distance Quercus ilex.


We could not see any spores, the one carpophore was (as I already wrote) fully unripe.


We do not remember a cheesy smell - but maybe it was.


The findplace is in Spain, not Portugal, and surely thermophilous.


Thanks again and best regards,


Lothar