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Octospora?
Nick Aplin, 12-01-2015 03:08

Salut Ascofrance,


I wonder if anyone can help me with this Octospora I found in the South of England on 7/1/2015:


Substrate: Growing directly on Orthotrichum sp. (very likely O.affine) on an Ulmus branch 4ft from the ground


Ascospores 13.6-15.8 x 11.7 x 13.1 µm, coarsely warted


Asci operculate, 8-spored


It seems to be a reasonable match for O.affinis, but I have little experience with this group plus I'm aware that similar species exist - Can anyone confirm my suspicions?


Amitiés,


Nick


 


 

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Nicolas VAN VOOREN, 12-01-2015 07:00
Nicolas VAN VOOREN
Re : Octospora?
Yes, this is Octospora affinis. Please note that the name of the moss is Orthotrichum affine instead of Arthotrichum affine.
Gilbert MOYNE, 12-01-2015 08:55
Re : Octospora?
Bonjour,
Oui, Octospora affinis, espèce très commune sur Orthotrichum affine sur les branches de divers arbres, surtout aux endroits bien éclairés.
Il faut bien écarter les brins de mousse pour l'observer accrochée à la base des brins, souvent en colonies.
Amitiés
Gilbert
Jan Eckstein, 12-01-2015 17:47
Re : Octospora?
Dear Nick,
it is Octospora affinis, indeed.
See http://www.octospora.de/Oaffinis.htm for some details.
Probably, it was not recorded in England before.
Could you check for earlier records? I would be interested.

with best wishes
Jan
Nick Aplin, 12-01-2015 18:10
Re : Octospora?

Salut Nicolas, Gilbert, Jan et tout,


Thanks for the confirmation and thanks Nicolas, for spotting my spelling mistake (I was thankfully able to amend this in my original post).


Gilbert, the habitat was exactly as you describe.


Jan - This species doesn't appear on our either of our national databases, so I presume that is hasn't been recorded in the UK previously.


Amitiés,


Nick

Peter Püwert, 12-01-2015 19:07
Peter Püwert
Re : Octospora?
Hi all,
Octospora affinis is meanwhile the frequentest bryophilous fungus in our distrikt thanks to the knowledge of ecology and the enlarge of the host plant Orthotrichum affine.
Regards
Peter.
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Chris Yeates, 12-01-2015 20:04
Chris Yeates
Re : Octospora?
I suspect that this fungus - as with many other bryophilous species - is overlooked in the UK. Very few field mycologists study micro-fungi in general it is sad to relate, in contrast to many other countries in Europe. No fungi associated with Orthotrichum appear on the FRDBI, and yet O. affine is virtually ubiquitous:
https://data.nbn.org.uk/Taxa/NBNSYS0000022272

This is an area of study in which I must try harder myself . . . .
cordialement
Chris

Gilbert MOYNE, 12-01-2015 21:12
Re : Octospora?
Bonsoir,
Malgré sa grande fréquence, il est à noter que l'espèce se niche profondément entre les brins des touffes de mousse et n'est pas facilement visible sans une recherche appropriée.
Ca explique peut-être aussi qu'elle n'a été décrite qu'en 2006.
Gillbert
Marcel Vega, 12-01-2015 22:07
Re : Octospora?
T'as raison Gilbert,
il faut toujours écouter les vieux!
Amitiés,
Marcel
Gilbert MOYNE, 12-01-2015 22:20
Re : Octospora?
Disons "les Anciens"
Amitiés
Gilbert
Marcel Vega, 12-01-2015 23:09
Re : Octospora?
Je vois: T'es pas encore au lit...
Bonne nuit quand même,
Marcel
Michel Hairaud, 13-01-2015 10:57
Michel Hairaud
Re : Octospora?

Bonjour à tous,


Chris a raison, the species has for sure been overlooked in UK. Since our '' young vétéran'' Gilbert found it 2 years ago and annouced its discovery, the species was searched and found nearly everywhere in France


 


Bonne année myco à tous,


Michel

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Chris Yeates, 14-04-2015 20:12
Chris Yeates
Re : Octospora?
Hello Nick et al.
It has not taken too long for a second UK record of Octospora affinis ;-)
I have not had any success before with small bryophilous ascomycetes, but encouraged by what I have read on this website, and by a recent e-correspondence with fellow ASCOFrance person Zuzana Egertová I have persevered. This collection was made on Orthotrichum affine growing on a well-lit mossy branch of Sambucus nigra about 75cm above ground; I don't know the exact locality for Nick's find but this latest locality must be at least 300 kilometres away (to the NW) and at a greater altitude (180 metres). So it is probably widespread in the country, but with very few people looking.

I'm sure I have got the identification correct?

Cordialement
Chris

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Paul Cannon, 15-04-2015 18:38
Re : Octospora?
Hello Chris, can you provide a locality?

The ID looks spot-on; I've put some DIC images of asci and ascospores from Nick's collection onto the FGB&I website, and the ornamentation is near-identical. Will start looking myself now....