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Octospora
Salvador Tello,
24-11-2012 14:50
Ascas no amiloides y esporas con estas medidas.
21,7 [23,6 ; 24,7] 26,6 x 11,1 [11,6 ; 11,9] 12,4 µm
Q = 1,9 [2 ; 2,1] 2,2 ; N = 21 ; C = 95%
Me = 24,1 x 11,8 µm ; Qe = 2,1
Yo pienso que puede ser Octospora convexula, pero me quedan dudas, por que en alguna descripción que he leído dice que las paráfisis se colorean de verde con el iki y en otras no mencionan esto, la de mi recolecta no le veo que tome ese color, o por lo menos no es muy intenso.
¿Estoy en lo cierto con mi identificación?
Gracias.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Uwe Lindemann,
24-11-2012 15:19
Re : Octospora
Hi Slavador,
in my opion your finding looks quite similar to the species of the Leucoscypha-semiimmersa-patavina-complex. Do you find some thickwalled hairs on the outside of the apothezium?
Best, Uwe
in my opion your finding looks quite similar to the species of the Leucoscypha-semiimmersa-patavina-complex. Do you find some thickwalled hairs on the outside of the apothezium?
Best, Uwe
Björn Wergen,
24-11-2012 16:14
Re : Octospora
This should be Sepultariella semi-immersa.
regards, björn
regards, björn
Uwe Lindemann,
24-11-2012 18:11
Re : Octospora
Hi Björn,
Sepultariella semi-immersa is according to Index Fungorum an invalid name, although it is the current name of the taxon. Very strange. Maybe somebody can explain this strange case?
Best, Uwe
Sepultariella semi-immersa is according to Index Fungorum an invalid name, although it is the current name of the taxon. Very strange. Maybe somebody can explain this strange case?
Best, Uwe
François Valade,
24-11-2012 18:14
Re : Octospora
this combination has not been validly published http://www.indexfungorum.org/names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=466141?
so I call it Leucoscypha semi-immersa
so I call it Leucoscypha semi-immersa
Salvador Tello,
24-11-2012 21:01
Re : Octospora
No he visto pelos en el esterior del apotecio, (probaré otra vez).
Pero ¿no son demasiado grandes las esporas para ser Leucoscypha semi-immersa?
Saludos.
Salvador.
Pero ¿no son demasiado grandes las esporas para ser Leucoscypha semi-immersa?
Saludos.
Salvador.
DirkW,
25-11-2012 12:38
Re : Octospora
hi together,
i agree with francois!
to me it seems completely absurd to split l. semi-immersa and l. patavina in differnet genera, because they are so close ...
so it stays a leucoscypha for me.
best
dirk
i agree with francois!
to me it seems completely absurd to split l. semi-immersa and l. patavina in differnet genera, because they are so close ...
so it stays a leucoscypha for me.
best
dirk
Uwe Lindemann,
25-11-2012 14:17
Re : Octospora
According to René Dougoud the sporesize of L. patavina is 20,6-25,6 x 10-11,5 µm and of semi-immersa (18,5-)20,5-22,5(-23,5) x (9,6-)10,5-11,2 µm. It overlaps such a lot that I can't see in sporesize the main feature to split the taxa. It may be two different taxa, but I find it hard to distinguish between them.
Best, Uwe
Best, Uwe
François Valade,
25-11-2012 16:07
Re : Octospora
Uwe I disagree. I collected both and color of apothecia are really different: bright orange for patavina, yellow ochraceous for semiimmersa
Uwe Lindemann,
25-11-2012 16:39
Re : Octospora
Hi François,
thank you very much for your comment!
Here I have a Leucoscypha-"patavina"-Collection which is (in my opion) not bright orange.
Sporesize: 25-26,5 x 11-12 µm.
And here is another collection, one of Leucoscypha-"semi-immersa", with orange colors.
Sporesize: 21-22 x 9-11 µm.
What do you think about it?
Best, Uwe
thank you very much for your comment!
Here I have a Leucoscypha-"patavina"-Collection which is (in my opion) not bright orange.
Sporesize: 25-26,5 x 11-12 µm.
And here is another collection, one of Leucoscypha-"semi-immersa", with orange colors.
Sporesize: 21-22 x 9-11 µm.
What do you think about it?
Best, Uwe
Salvador Tello,
25-11-2012 22:25
Re : Octospora
La he estado mirando otra vez y parece que si va a ser L. patavina.
Gracias.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Gracias.
Saludos.
Salvador.