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A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
Michel Hairaud,
28-12-2013 23:24
Bonsoir à tous, Hi to everyone,Pour la 2eme année consécutive, je récolte sur feuilles pourrissantes de Tilia une minuscule hélotiale blanche sans pouvoir la déterminer
I hereby present a undetermined white Helotialean minute asco on rotten Tilia leaves . I collected it twice in the same site , in November 2012 and 3 days ago.
- Apos up to 0,25 mm, white, urceolate, then flattened, (remaining white) Pars sporifera 18-25 µm
- Ascus H+, IKI + (intense blue) Calycina type, 41-49 x 7-8,5
- EE prismatica, last cells with VBs as in paraphyses
- Spores 7,5-9(10) x 3-3,5 , most often with one, not conspicuous LB at each pole(x -> 1,8 µm) , and not rare detaching envelopes, CRB -
-Paraphyses enlarged ->3-4 , tip filled with a 7-8 µm long VB , CRB +
I would suggest Calycina as a genera candidate but get no clue for species name
I'll be happy with some help . Merci merci.
Amitiés
Michel
Martin Bemmann,
29-12-2013 00:30
Re : A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
Hi Michel,
I don't have a real idea. Did you observe hairs? Macroscopically the apos look as there wood be some. Arendholz has a Pezizella pilosa (=Hyaloscypha puberula = Calycellina punctata ) that could fit according to his description but not absolutelly to those of the synonyms.
Maybe others will shed a light on this.
Regards
Martin
I don't have a real idea. Did you observe hairs? Macroscopically the apos look as there wood be some. Arendholz has a Pezizella pilosa (=Hyaloscypha puberula = Calycellina punctata ) that could fit according to his description but not absolutelly to those of the synonyms.
Maybe others will shed a light on this.
Regards
Martin
Hans-Otto Baral,
29-12-2013 10:30
Re : A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
My database suggests also Pezizella pilosa on Tilia leaves. That name might be a synonym of Helotium subcitrinum on Populus leaves. But my old drawings of that species are not scanned.
Are the hairs smooth or warted? But even if they are warted it could be a Calycina (like C. gemmarum). Externally it looks more like a Cistella.
In 1985 I thought P. pilosa is a synonym of Calycellina populina. But this or C. punctata are certainly not your fungus.
Zotto
Are the hairs smooth or warted? But even if they are warted it could be a Calycina (like C. gemmarum). Externally it looks more like a Cistella.
In 1985 I thought P. pilosa is a synonym of Calycellina populina. But this or C. punctata are certainly not your fungus.
Zotto
Michel Hairaud,
30-12-2013 00:28
Re : A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
Thank you Martin and Zotto,
Hairs are not conspicuous. The last cells of ectal excipulum are up to
15(20) long x 3-4 and are often filled with a VB, as in paraphyses last
cells too. They are smooth.
In Arendholz's description, (Latin diagnose), spores are uniseriate (if I do
understand clearly) , which is not the case here. Also I do not find these apos are erumpent.
Amitiés
Michel
Hans-Otto Baral,
30-12-2013 11:40
Re : A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
The spores remain somewhat biseriate in dead asci of your fungus, but in Arendholz's material you cannot be sure how they were arranged in living asci.
Now I found my photos of Helotium subcitrinum (?= Pezizella pilosa), which is definitely another fungus (HB 8351b).
Zotto
Now I found my photos of Helotium subcitrinum (?= Pezizella pilosa), which is definitely another fungus (HB 8351b).
Zotto
Martin Bemmann,
30-12-2013 18:53
Re : A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
Hi Michel,
Arendholz describes his Pezizella pilosa in the German diagnosis as with asci oblique uniseriate to irregular and sometimes biseriate. I am sure that he refers to dead herbarium collections mostly. As for the hairs he does not mention any ornamentation. I would consider them as smooth, otherwise he would have mentionend something (cf. warty ). This species on Tilia leaves seems to be a species that needs much more collections.
Best regards
Martin
Arendholz describes his Pezizella pilosa in the German diagnosis as with asci oblique uniseriate to irregular and sometimes biseriate. I am sure that he refers to dead herbarium collections mostly. As for the hairs he does not mention any ornamentation. I would consider them as smooth, otherwise he would have mentionend something (cf. warty ). This species on Tilia leaves seems to be a species that needs much more collections.
Best regards
Martin
Michel Hairaud,
31-12-2013 00:29
Re : A Calycina like minute one on Tilia leaves
Yes, thanks again to you both.
The copy I have of Arendoltz thesis does not enable me to consider properly the plate for P. pilosa. But I do not think it contains either spore drawings ?
This work is interesting for the description and notes he gives on a good deal of folicolous species.
Michel
The copy I have of Arendoltz thesis does not enable me to consider properly the plate for P. pilosa. But I do not think it contains either spore drawings ?
This work is interesting for the description and notes he gives on a good deal of folicolous species.
Michel