Accès membres

Mot de passe perdu? S'inscrire

03-04-2026 17:11

Bohan Jia

Lastly, I have found these small apothecia on a co

31-03-2026 21:18

Miguel Ãngel Ribes Miguel Ángel Ribes

Good evening. oes anyone have the original descrip

31-03-2026 20:57

Stefan Blaser

Hello everybody, I hope somebody can help me with

26-03-2026 15:31

Ãke Widgren Åke Widgren

Hello,I found this one in October last year, on r

31-03-2026 16:20

Mlcoch Patrik Mlcoch Patrik

Hello, Please about help with determination. On

31-03-2026 08:19

Bernard CLESSE Bernard CLESSE

Bonjour à toutes et tous,Pourriez-vous m'aider à

30-03-2026 12:18

Sylvie Le Goff

BonjourRécolté sur la base de Pteridium aquilinu

30-03-2026 12:03

William Slosse William Slosse

Hello all,On 27/03/26, in Kraaiveld in Wingene (Be

25-03-2026 10:35

Hulda Caroline Holte

Hello,I collected this species growing on a dead b

28-03-2026 17:41

Louis DENY

Bonjour forum,Mollisia trouvée sur tige de Molini

« < 1 2 3 4 5 > »
Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Bernard CLESSE, 03-02-2018 21:28
Bernard CLESSEBonsoir tout le monde,

Trouvé récemment ce que je pense être Trichopezizella rubroguttata sur sceau de Salomon multiflore. Les asques ont systématiquement un crochet à la base.

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Bernard

  • message #52152
  • message #52152
Hans-Otto Baral, 03-02-2018 21:46
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
It is a good question, but the asci look a bit strange, their contents are guttulate unlike these Trichopezizellas. The asci are amyloid?
You don't find living asci and free spores?
Bernard CLESSE, 03-02-2018 21:49
Bernard CLESSE
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Good evening Zotto,

The asci are IKI- and I have not found any spores, but lots of small conidia.


Bernard

Bernard CLESSE, 03-02-2018 21:52
Bernard CLESSE
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
I'll double check if I see spores in other apothecia

Bernard
Bernard CLESSE, 03-02-2018 22:31
Bernard CLESSE
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
In fact, these thousands of small spores (or conidia?) of different sizes and shapes that I see under the microscope come from inside asci, I do not understand much about it.

Bernard

  • message #52157
Bernard CLESSE, 05-02-2018 14:49
Bernard CLESSE
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Hi Zotto,

Would you have a conclusion for this Trichopezizella with these asci and these strange spores ?

Bernard
Hans-Otto Baral, 05-02-2018 16:08
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Yes, now I have. It was my suspicion, but I wasn't sure at all. You have two organisms in one: T. nidulus with the hymenialparasite Helicogonium- I guess a new species.

Would be good to photograph more of the normal spores, they are actually the ascuspores. Especially the stage when they produce a terminal conidium is important since some species form conidia on the broader and and some on the narrower, but this is a bit variable.

In any case spore and conidial size should be measured.

You can consult my paper on the genus in Nova Hedwigia 69: 1-71.

I send it by mail.

Zotto
Bernard CLESSE, 05-02-2018 16:14
Bernard CLESSE
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Interesting! I learn every day (I did not know there were parasitic fungi inside asci). I will wait for your mail to see more clearly.

Thank you very much, Zotto!

Hans-Otto Baral, 05-02-2018 17:28
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Not inside asci, the complete asci belong to the parasite. Therefore they are inamyloid (in all Helicogonium), and have croziers.
Bernard CLESSE, 05-02-2018 17:33
Bernard CLESSE
Re : Trichopezizella rubroguttata (?) sur Polygonatum multiflorum
Ah OK, Zotto, I understand better and so I photographed helicogonium asques ...
Thank you for your additional explanations

Bernard