15-01-2026 15:55
Lothar Krieglsteiner
this one is especially interesting for me because
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Lothar Krieglsteiner,
15-01-2026 15:55
this one is especially interesting for me because it is the host of an Unguiculariopsis that I plan to show here soon. First, I would like to know more about hte host. Growing on Quercus (Germany, Baaria), attached twigs at lying middle-aged log. The stromata contain some perithecia with white content (hyaline spores at least for long time). The asci are iodine-negative and bear croziers. There are plenty periphyses. The spores are for a long time hyaline, with the second cell distinctly enlarged, and measurea about 19-23/4-5,5 µm. The pink color in the fotos is from phloxine (mixed with water).
Can somebody help me with the identification?
Best regards, Lothar
Lothar Krieglsteiner,
18-01-2026 18:50
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
today I re-examined the Unguiculariopsis. It could well be U. robergei which I had before but know that it surely still is a collectiv species.
I would much be interested what the host is - can somebody take a look and give a hint?
Best regards, Lothar
I would much be interested what the host is - can somebody take a look and give a hint?
Best regards, Lothar
Björn Wergen,
20-01-2026 00:39
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
Hi Lothar,
do you have a sample of the Unguiculariopsis? If so, can you send this to me (if so, i will tell you the address via email)?
As your host is not Paraxylaria xylostei, U. robergei is excluded.
regards
björn
do you have a sample of the Unguiculariopsis? If so, can you send this to me (if so, i will tell you the address via email)?
As your host is not Paraxylaria xylostei, U. robergei is excluded.
regards
björn
Björn Wergen,
20-01-2026 00:45
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
The species where the Unguiculariopsis probably grows on, or at least what you have shown above, is Pseudotrichia minor. This is a species which grows on other pyrenomycetes. You can try a longitudinal section to see how it grows on the pyreno debris below.
It is possible that the host of the Unguiculariopsis is not actual Pseudotrichia minor, but the old pyreno (Botryosphaeria?).
It is possible that the host of the Unguiculariopsis is not actual Pseudotrichia minor, but the old pyreno (Botryosphaeria?).
Lothar Krieglsteiner,
20-01-2026 10:44
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
Hello Björn,
first: thank you very much for the determination of Pseudotrichia minor. In fact, I never had this species before although I often read about it.
Thanks also for the copy of the paper of Hilber (? - or Hilber and Enderle) - I think I have this in the original. Could you give me the data of the whole paper so that I can look up everything in the original?
Interesting that there is a second pyrenomycete below - I did not notice that.
Second: Surely I can send you a piece of my collection (Werderstr. 17, Hornberg? - or where should the sending go to ?). It is quite abundant - unluckily it contains of many still quite unripe apothecia, but you will finde some that contain ripe asci.
Are you working with Unguiculariopsis now? An interesting genus. You wirte that it cannot be U. robergei because the host is not Paraxylaria xylostei. Well - why do you think it is sure that U. robergei does not grow polyphagous? There are several genera with very specific species and with others less being so.
In Zhuang (1988 - this is the paper I used, because there is no other - or did I overlook something?) this host is given (as Amphisphaerella) and a variety coelomyceticola (I once determined and published a specimen with this name from Lower Franconia in Krieglsteiner 1999, with a small drawing and some notes). You could say this is an own species (complex) but where is the evidence? In the Algarve I also found only two apothecia of an Unguiculariopsis I determined as U. robergei (s.l.) too, growing on a ?Ulex-twig in a macchia, I did not note a well-developed host there.
I also wrote that robergei might be a collective species (see above) - and so it is very well possible or even likely that my specimen is something different compared with the original robergei.
As I wrote, we have only Zhuang and this is surely not satisfactory.
Best regards, Lothar
first: thank you very much for the determination of Pseudotrichia minor. In fact, I never had this species before although I often read about it.
Thanks also for the copy of the paper of Hilber (? - or Hilber and Enderle) - I think I have this in the original. Could you give me the data of the whole paper so that I can look up everything in the original?
Interesting that there is a second pyrenomycete below - I did not notice that.
Second: Surely I can send you a piece of my collection (Werderstr. 17, Hornberg? - or where should the sending go to ?). It is quite abundant - unluckily it contains of many still quite unripe apothecia, but you will finde some that contain ripe asci.
Are you working with Unguiculariopsis now? An interesting genus. You wirte that it cannot be U. robergei because the host is not Paraxylaria xylostei. Well - why do you think it is sure that U. robergei does not grow polyphagous? There are several genera with very specific species and with others less being so.
In Zhuang (1988 - this is the paper I used, because there is no other - or did I overlook something?) this host is given (as Amphisphaerella) and a variety coelomyceticola (I once determined and published a specimen with this name from Lower Franconia in Krieglsteiner 1999, with a small drawing and some notes). You could say this is an own species (complex) but where is the evidence? In the Algarve I also found only two apothecia of an Unguiculariopsis I determined as U. robergei (s.l.) too, growing on a ?Ulex-twig in a macchia, I did not note a well-developed host there.
I also wrote that robergei might be a collective species (see above) - and so it is very well possible or even likely that my specimen is something different compared with the original robergei.
As I wrote, we have only Zhuang and this is surely not satisfactory.
Best regards, Lothar
Björn Wergen,
20-01-2026 11:25
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
Hi Lothar,
in fact, we (that means me and Adam Polhorský) try to do something with Unguiculariopsis and Macroskyttea (and actually also Phaeangella, but this is quite a mess currently). In the past few years, I have tried to collect as many as possible, and had a lot of typical specimen of at least 10 different species fitting quite well to the descriptions (like Zhuang 1988). There are multiple additional collections without a name though, some looking similar or quite equal to the officially described species (like U. rehmii, like U. robergei etc).
Check the real U. robergei subsp. robergei in the attached file. I have found this a few days ago on Lonicera sp. with Paraxylaria xylostei.
After seeing many of the species, I came quite early to the conclusion that they might not be polyphagous. The species growing on lichens (13, see some of the articles from Brackel, Zimmermann, Berger & Cezanne, Etayo & Diederich and others) do not seem to be polyphagous in the cases I have seen, but I cannot tell for all.
The U. robergei subsp. coelomyceticola might be restricted to Septoriella. I cannot exclude polyphagy here, but I would regard any collection similar to coelomyceticola not growing specifically on Septoriella as an own taxa, until genetical evidence.
If your collection really grows on the Botryosphaeria, this is something new to us.
I will send you the address by email. Thanks.
Björn
in fact, we (that means me and Adam Polhorský) try to do something with Unguiculariopsis and Macroskyttea (and actually also Phaeangella, but this is quite a mess currently). In the past few years, I have tried to collect as many as possible, and had a lot of typical specimen of at least 10 different species fitting quite well to the descriptions (like Zhuang 1988). There are multiple additional collections without a name though, some looking similar or quite equal to the officially described species (like U. rehmii, like U. robergei etc).
Check the real U. robergei subsp. robergei in the attached file. I have found this a few days ago on Lonicera sp. with Paraxylaria xylostei.
After seeing many of the species, I came quite early to the conclusion that they might not be polyphagous. The species growing on lichens (13, see some of the articles from Brackel, Zimmermann, Berger & Cezanne, Etayo & Diederich and others) do not seem to be polyphagous in the cases I have seen, but I cannot tell for all.
The U. robergei subsp. coelomyceticola might be restricted to Septoriella. I cannot exclude polyphagy here, but I would regard any collection similar to coelomyceticola not growing specifically on Septoriella as an own taxa, until genetical evidence.
If your collection really grows on the Botryosphaeria, this is something new to us.
I will send you the address by email. Thanks.
Björn
Lothar Krieglsteiner,
20-01-2026 11:50
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
Hello Björn,
thank you for your explanations and the beautiful plate of U. robergei s.str.
A specimen that I determined rehmii I found in Italy, on a hanging twig of Juglans at a standing tree. But it is a scanty collection, without a clear host.
You surely saw my contribution here about U. allantospora on Thyronectria coryli?
http://www.ascofrance.fr/search_forum/79983
Best regards, Lothar
thank you for your explanations and the beautiful plate of U. robergei s.str.
A specimen that I determined rehmii I found in Italy, on a hanging twig of Juglans at a standing tree. But it is a scanty collection, without a clear host.
You surely saw my contribution here about U. allantospora on Thyronectria coryli?
http://www.ascofrance.fr/search_forum/79983
Best regards, Lothar
Adam Polhorský,
20-01-2026 14:57
Re : pyrenomycete on Quercus
Hi Lothar,
with Unguiculariopsis it is never easy or simple:).
For example U. robergei on Lonicera (Paraxylaria xylostei) differs phylogenetically from U. "robergei" on Cornus (Didymosphaeria massarioideds). Or U. casteneus on herbs differs from U. "castaneus" from wood (both associated with Stictis). While there is very little morphological difference between these pairs. On the other hand U. aff. rehmii on 6 unrelated fungal hosts represents a single species. So atm everything should be investigated with DNA. Your U. on Botryosphaeria? (or any other collection) would be valuable. Bjorn has already accumulated great number of collections that we sequenced or will sequence. So there is data to compare against.







