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DirkW,
29-10-2011 20:34
does anybody know a current key to pulvinula?! I'm a bit confused about the current conceots of the red taxas, especially the spore-measures ...
merci. merci
dirk
François Valade,
29-10-2011 21:35
Re : pulvinula
Hi Dirk
Pfister has provided a key with his studies of the genus in 1972.
I can see you the paper.
cheers
François
Pfister has provided a key with his studies of the genus in 1972.
I can see you the paper.
cheers
François
Gernot Friebes,
30-10-2011 00:28
Re : pulvinula
Hi,
François already mentioned Pfister's paper from 1972 but there no key is given. However, he provides a key in "A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula" from 1976. Both are available at the Biodiversity Heritage Library: 1972 (http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/47307#page/223/mode/1up) and 1976 (http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/31896#page/3/mode/1up).
The newest key I know is given by Yao & Spooner in "Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species" in Mycological Research 100(7): 883-884 (1996) (for the British species). If you don't have this paper, I can send it to you.
Best wishes,
Gernot
François already mentioned Pfister's paper from 1972 but there no key is given. However, he provides a key in "A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula" from 1976. Both are available at the Biodiversity Heritage Library: 1972 (http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/47307#page/223/mode/1up) and 1976 (http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/31896#page/3/mode/1up).
The newest key I know is given by Yao & Spooner in "Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species" in Mycological Research 100(7): 883-884 (1996) (for the British species). If you don't have this paper, I can send it to you.
Best wishes,
Gernot
François Valade,
30-10-2011 07:07
Re : pulvinula
Hi
Yes 1976 is the right date.
There is something more recent but not complete, Medardi, studio su alcune sp italiane del genere Pulvinula in Boll. G. carini 2001?, but only 4 species are keyed.
François
Yes 1976 is the right date.
There is something more recent but not complete, Medardi, studio su alcune sp italiane del genere Pulvinula in Boll. G. carini 2001?, but only 4 species are keyed.
François
René Dougoud,
30-10-2011 08:17
Re : pulvinula
Cher Collègue,
Il y a encore à faire pour connaître vraiment les espèces, très souvent embrouillées de ce genre ! Voici une liste bibliographique, bien sûr non complète, qui pourrait vous aidez.
Bonne étude et salutations !!
René
Liste bibliographie RD
-Genre
ECKBLAD, F.E. (1968) The genra oh the operculate Discomycètes. A re-evaluation of taxonomy, Phylogeny and nomenclature.- Nytt Magasin for Botanikk 15 (1-2): 43
HOHMEYER, H. (1988) Die Gattungen der Tribus Aleurieae Seav. emmend. Korf (Pyronemataceae, Pezizales). Mitteilungsblatt der Arbeitsgemeinschaft Pilzkunde Niederrhein 6 (1): 16. Clas. RD n° 2 / 6
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula (Avec clé synoptique des espèces). Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
KORF, R:P: & W.Y. ZHUANG 1984 - The ellipsoid-spored species of Pulvinula (Pezizales) Mycotaxon 10 (2) 607-616. Clas. RD n° 14 / 8
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 202-215
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11 / 2
ATHI, T. & al. (2000) Nordic macromycetes. Vol 1 (Ascomycetes): 111?
-Espèces
P. alba (Velen.) Svrcek?
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11
VELENOVSKI (1934) Mon. Discom. Boh. :321
SVRCK 1977 New combination and new taxa in Operculate Discomycetes (Pezizales) 31 2: 69-71, Clas. RD n° 12?
P. albida (Rick) Pfister?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. archeri (Berk.) Rifai?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Australasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 213-215
LANTIERI, A. (2007) Alcune interessati Pezizales rinvenute in Sicilia. - Mycol. Monten. X: 83-94, in biblio.?
P. ascoboloides Korf & Zuang?
KORF, R:P: & W.Y. ZHUANG 1984 - The ellipsoid-spored species of Pulvinula (Pezizales) Mycotaxon 10 (2) 607-616. Clas. RD n° 14 / 8?
P. carbonaria (Fuck.) Boud.?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. cinabarina (Fukel) Boud.?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. convexella (P. Karst.) Pfister?
LE GAL (1937) Florule mycologique des Bois de la Grange et de l'Etoile.- Rev. Myc. II (3-4) : 150-162
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884 Clas. RD n° 11 / 2
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
GRELET p. 201
BOUDIER, Icones p.231 pl.407
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Ascomycetes from the Vysoké Tatry Mts (High Tatra) ... Clas RD n° 11
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235. Cals. RD n°14 / 22
SCHUMACHER, T. 1979 - Notes on taxonomy, ecologie, and distribution of operculate discomycetes (Pezizales) from river banks in Norway.- Nrw. J. Bot. 26: 66. Clas RD n° 16 / 1?
P. globifera (Berk. & Curt.) Le Gal?
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 211-213
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
BREITENBACH, J. & F. KRÄNZLIN -1981 - Champignons de Suisse. Tome 1. Les Ascomycètes : 114, pl.108
ENGEL, H. (1989) Die Pilzeflora Nordwestoberfrankens Band 13:19 pl. 338?
P. haemastigma (Hedw.:Fr.) Boud.?
IRLET,1984 Discomyceten der Schweizer Alpen, MH I(3) 132-143
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235.- Clas.. RD n°14 / 22
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. haemastigma (Hedw.:Fr.) Boud.? var. luteoflava J. Moravec?
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Ascomycetes from the Vysoké Tatry Mts (High Tatra) ... - Clas RD n° 11 / 1?
P. lacteoalba J. Moravec
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235. Cals. RD n° 14 / 22
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. laeterubra (Rehm) Pfister?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
PERIC, B. (2006) Puviula laeterubra, nouvelle espèce pour la frore mycologique du Monténégro.- Bull. mycol, bot.Dauphiné-Savoie 181: 17-24. Clas. RD n° 22 / 07?
P. miltina (Berk.) Rifai?
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 204-207
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11?
P. mussooriensis? (Thind, Cash & Singh) Batra & Batra?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. neotropica PfisterPFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. niveolba J. Moravec
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235. Cals. RD n°14 / 22
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. orichalcea? (Cooke) Rifai?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. ovalispora Boud.
BOUDIER, E. (1917) Dernières étincelles mycologiques. - Bull. Sté Myc. de France 33: 16. Clas. RD n° 6 / 2
Engel, 9, pl.160, p. 60
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
KORF, R.P. & ZHUANG, W.-Y., 1991 - A preliminary Discomycete flora of Macaronesia: Part 16, Otideaceae, Scutellinioideae. - Mycotaxon XL : 79-106. Clas. RD n° 20 / 7
FERNANDEZ & UNDAGOITA (2004) Errotari; mikologi Urtekaria : 57-58
YAO, Y.-J. & SPOONER, B.M. (1996) Delimitation of Boubovia and Pulvinula. Mycol. Res. 100 (2): 193-194. Clas. RD n° 8 / 2?
P. pyrophila (Snyder) Donadini & G. & L. Riousset?
DONADINI 1982, Rappels, validations et commentaires sur qqs taxa DM 12 46: 1-7
DONADINI (1975) Bull. Sté Linnéenne Provence T. 28: 83-84. Clas. RD n° 6 / 1
Anonyme: Pulvinula cf pyrophila (Snyder) Donadini & G. & L. Riousset. Clas. RD n° 6 / 1?
P. salmonicolor (Seav.) Pfister?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. subprolata? Korf & Zhuang?
KORF, R.P. & ZHUANG, W.-Y., 1991 - A preliminary Discomycete flora of Macaronesia: Part 16, Otideaceae, Scutellinioideae. - Mycotaxon XL : 79-106. Clas. RD n° 20 / 7?
P. tetraspora (Hansf.) Rifai?
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 207-210
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
Il y a encore à faire pour connaître vraiment les espèces, très souvent embrouillées de ce genre ! Voici une liste bibliographique, bien sûr non complète, qui pourrait vous aidez.
Bonne étude et salutations !!
René
Liste bibliographie RD
-Genre
ECKBLAD, F.E. (1968) The genra oh the operculate Discomycètes. A re-evaluation of taxonomy, Phylogeny and nomenclature.- Nytt Magasin for Botanikk 15 (1-2): 43
HOHMEYER, H. (1988) Die Gattungen der Tribus Aleurieae Seav. emmend. Korf (Pyronemataceae, Pezizales). Mitteilungsblatt der Arbeitsgemeinschaft Pilzkunde Niederrhein 6 (1): 16. Clas. RD n° 2 / 6
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula (Avec clé synoptique des espèces). Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
KORF, R:P: & W.Y. ZHUANG 1984 - The ellipsoid-spored species of Pulvinula (Pezizales) Mycotaxon 10 (2) 607-616. Clas. RD n° 14 / 8
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 202-215
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11 / 2
ATHI, T. & al. (2000) Nordic macromycetes. Vol 1 (Ascomycetes): 111?
-Espèces
P. alba (Velen.) Svrcek?
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11
VELENOVSKI (1934) Mon. Discom. Boh. :321
SVRCK 1977 New combination and new taxa in Operculate Discomycetes (Pezizales) 31 2: 69-71, Clas. RD n° 12?
P. albida (Rick) Pfister?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. archeri (Berk.) Rifai?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Australasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 213-215
LANTIERI, A. (2007) Alcune interessati Pezizales rinvenute in Sicilia. - Mycol. Monten. X: 83-94, in biblio.?
P. ascoboloides Korf & Zuang?
KORF, R:P: & W.Y. ZHUANG 1984 - The ellipsoid-spored species of Pulvinula (Pezizales) Mycotaxon 10 (2) 607-616. Clas. RD n° 14 / 8?
P. carbonaria (Fuck.) Boud.?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. cinabarina (Fukel) Boud.?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. convexella (P. Karst.) Pfister?
LE GAL (1937) Florule mycologique des Bois de la Grange et de l'Etoile.- Rev. Myc. II (3-4) : 150-162
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884 Clas. RD n° 11 / 2
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
GRELET p. 201
BOUDIER, Icones p.231 pl.407
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Ascomycetes from the Vysoké Tatry Mts (High Tatra) ... Clas RD n° 11
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235. Cals. RD n°14 / 22
SCHUMACHER, T. 1979 - Notes on taxonomy, ecologie, and distribution of operculate discomycetes (Pezizales) from river banks in Norway.- Nrw. J. Bot. 26: 66. Clas RD n° 16 / 1?
P. globifera (Berk. & Curt.) Le Gal?
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 211-213
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
BREITENBACH, J. & F. KRÄNZLIN -1981 - Champignons de Suisse. Tome 1. Les Ascomycètes : 114, pl.108
ENGEL, H. (1989) Die Pilzeflora Nordwestoberfrankens Band 13:19 pl. 338?
P. haemastigma (Hedw.:Fr.) Boud.?
IRLET,1984 Discomyceten der Schweizer Alpen, MH I(3) 132-143
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235.- Clas.. RD n°14 / 22
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. haemastigma (Hedw.:Fr.) Boud.? var. luteoflava J. Moravec?
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Ascomycetes from the Vysoké Tatry Mts (High Tatra) ... - Clas RD n° 11 / 1?
P. lacteoalba J. Moravec
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235. Cals. RD n° 14 / 22
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. laeterubra (Rehm) Pfister?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
PERIC, B. (2006) Puviula laeterubra, nouvelle espèce pour la frore mycologique du Monténégro.- Bull. mycol, bot.Dauphiné-Savoie 181: 17-24. Clas. RD n° 22 / 07?
P. miltina (Berk.) Rifai?
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 204-207
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11?
P. mussooriensis? (Thind, Cash & Singh) Batra & Batra?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. neotropica PfisterPFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. niveolba J. Moravec
MORAVEC, J. 1969 - Some Operculate Discomycetes from the districts of Mlada Boleslav and Jicin (Bobemia). C.M.23 (4): 222-235. Cals. RD n°14 / 22
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. orichalcea? (Cooke) Rifai?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. ovalispora Boud.
BOUDIER, E. (1917) Dernières étincelles mycologiques. - Bull. Sté Myc. de France 33: 16. Clas. RD n° 6 / 2
Engel, 9, pl.160, p. 60
YAO & SPOONER (1996) Notes on British species of Pulvinula, with two newly recorded species. Mycol. Res. 100 (7) : 883-884. Clas. RD n° 11
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus Pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9
KORF, R.P. & ZHUANG, W.-Y., 1991 - A preliminary Discomycete flora of Macaronesia: Part 16, Otideaceae, Scutellinioideae. - Mycotaxon XL : 79-106. Clas. RD n° 20 / 7
FERNANDEZ & UNDAGOITA (2004) Errotari; mikologi Urtekaria : 57-58
YAO, Y.-J. & SPOONER, B.M. (1996) Delimitation of Boubovia and Pulvinula. Mycol. Res. 100 (2): 193-194. Clas. RD n° 8 / 2?
P. pyrophila (Snyder) Donadini & G. & L. Riousset?
DONADINI 1982, Rappels, validations et commentaires sur qqs taxa DM 12 46: 1-7
DONADINI (1975) Bull. Sté Linnéenne Provence T. 28: 83-84. Clas. RD n° 6 / 1
Anonyme: Pulvinula cf pyrophila (Snyder) Donadini & G. & L. Riousset. Clas. RD n° 6 / 1?
P. salmonicolor (Seav.) Pfister?
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
P. subprolata? Korf & Zhuang?
KORF, R.P. & ZHUANG, W.-Y., 1991 - A preliminary Discomycete flora of Macaronesia: Part 16, Otideaceae, Scutellinioideae. - Mycotaxon XL : 79-106. Clas. RD n° 20 / 7?
P. tetraspora (Hansf.) Rifai?
RIFAI, M.A. (1968) The Austarlasian Pezizales in the Herbarium of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew. - Natuurkunde Tweede Reeks 57 (3): 207-210
PFISTER, D.H. 1976 - A synopsis of the genus pulvinula. Occ. Pap. Farlow Herb. Clas. RD n° 14 / 9?
René Dougoud,
30-10-2011 08:21
Re : pulvinula
Je remarque que des points d'interrogation se sont placés à certains endroit. J'ignore pourquoi ! Merci de ne pas en tenir compte.
René
René
DirkW,
30-10-2011 11:18
Re : pulvinula
hi gernot, merci beaucoup! great to have the complete work of pfister so easy! i would be very interested in the notes of spooner and thankful if you could send it!
all the best
dirk
all the best
dirk
DirkW,
30-10-2011 11:22
Re : pulvinula
chere rene.
merci beaucoup pour cette liste tres detaillé!!
cordialement
dirk
merci beaucoup pour cette liste tres detaillé!!
cordialement
dirk