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Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
B Shelbourne, 03-11-2024 17:36
B Shelbourne• Macro and habitat suggest Hymenoscyphus s.l., confirmed by micro.
• Reminiscent of Cudoniella, also not reddening, spores very long, exciple structure.
• It seems to be a good match for H. geogenus, the epithet was helpful too.

Habitat: Growing on the ground, on partially buried and decaying acorns and bud scales of Quercus, and possibly other woody debris, damp and muddy area under the tree, mixed (mostly) deciduous woodland, part of a large area of agricultural land being 'rewilded' (Knepp Estate), Low Weald, southern England, early November.


Apothecia: < ~3 x 6 mm, whitish to yellowish, rather dull and opaque appearance, yellowing with age, not reddening with trauma, gregarious to 5-caespitose, initially capitate-turbinate, then turbinate-pulvinate, eventually more appressed and pulvinate-discoid, superficial but emerging from debris, appearing sessile or with short and obconical stipe, receptacle and disc similar in appearance, disc initially concave and eventually plano-convex and often slightly umbilical.


Low magnification: Very short whitish hairs seen around the base of one, margin more noticeable when less mature, slightly felty, whitish and more reflective, often remaining slightly upturned but eventually reflexed, sometimes becoming slightly scalloped, sometimes eventually lobate, disc with slightly pruinose appearance.


Asci: Appear to be quite narrow, cylindrical-clavate, simple septa, rings bb, medium strength, Hymenoscyphus-type, deep dome-like thickening in flaccid immature asci, more subtruncate in more mature flaccid asci, mature asci abundantly discharging almost immediately in water (even straight from the fridge), thickening remaining everted, large collar-like appearance.


Spores: Ellipsoid-fusoid, approximately homopolar with the ends acute-rounded, although the apex is often more abrupt and acute, resp. the base is more elongated and rounded, asymmetric or slightly (sub)curved in profile view, flexible, multi-guttulate with OCI 5, many medium-size shadowy guttules (VBs?), transparent in IKI, some tiny dark LBs, apparently uninucleate, no setulae observed, one free spore with a central (transverse) septum.


Spores discharged from asci in water mount:
(28.7) 30.8-40.8 (41.9) × 5.5-6.1 (6.5) µm, Q = (4.8) 5.2 - 7.2 (7.5), N = 30, mean = 35.2 × 5.9 µm, Q mean = 6.0.


Paraphyses: Filiform (relatively narrow), Hymenoscyphus-type VBs at the apex, lowly refractive, faintly yellowish, osmetimes branching slightly irregularly and close to the apex.


Medullary: Text. intricata-porrecta, hyaline, deep, hyphae narrower and denser towards the subhymenium (some parallels with transition of ectal text.), more text. intricata, towards the base hyphae resp. broader and sparser, more text. porrecta.


Ectal: Somewhat disorganised, shallow, cells at the surface smaller and sometimes protruding, or irregularly clavate-lanceolate at the flanks, upper flanks more text. prismatica-angularis, parallel to the surface, surface of lower flanks and base text. angularis-globosa, below the surface lower flanks becoming more text. prismatica (perpendicular) in transition to the medullary, externally with pale yellowish pigment, stipe part not observed.


Marginal cells: Relatively short and narrow, cylindrical, apex rounded, 1-3? septa protruding, with some shadowy contents below the apex.

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Hans-Otto Baral, 03-11-2024 20:35
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
A very clearly defined species.
B Shelbourne, 03-11-2024 22:51
B Shelbourne
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
Apparently so, even the spores seem quite particular. Although the relationship with other species in Hymenoscyphus s.l. is not so clear from blast results, and several close sequences seem to be undetermined.
Hans-Otto Baral, 04-11-2024 07:22
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
I observed a well supported clade with Phaeohelotium monticola, though with distance. So the combination P. geogenum would make some sense in molecular terms. Classically I would place the fungus in Cudoniella in vicinty of H. imberbis (which is in the Tricladiaceae clade).
B Shelbourne, 04-11-2024 14:03
B Shelbourne
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
Thank you for explaining. I did notice some association with P. monticola and H.(/P.) epigaeus from nRNA. I remember this group from an ITS+LSU tree but I had not looked at the morphology.

It is strange that IF does not have P. flavum as a synonym of P. monticola, although the entry was updated in 2022, is this synonymy published?


The morphological relationships between H. imberbis and Phaeohelotium (s.s./monticola group) are interesting. The macro and exciple structure between the groups is relatively similar but the paraphyses and VBs seem to be different. I can certainly see ecological and morphological similairities between H. geogenus and P. monticola.

Hans-Otto Baral, 04-11-2024 17:02
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
Yes, P. flavum is = monticola in Dennis 1964: 54 & 78, also in Dixon 1974: 71n and Gamundi 1998: 81.

The VBs in the paraphyses of P. monticola and H. imberbis are similar I think, while in P. geogenum they are absent.
B Shelbourne, 04-11-2024 22:54
B Shelbourne
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
There are many globose lowly-refractive guttules in the apices of the paraphyses in this collection of H. geogenus, are these not VBs then?
Hans-Otto Baral, 05-11-2024 10:09
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
Yes, but at first glance the contents are inconspicuous. I have two drawings in which in the middle part of the terminal cell a groups of small, medium refractive guttules occur which I found to be SCBs (unstained in CRB). They are interrupted by large non-refractive vacuoles (in CRB blue).
B Shelbourne, 05-11-2024 10:55
B Shelbourne
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
Thank you for explaining. I saw your drawing of a parayphsis apex for HB 3907, which appears to be an accurate representation of the fresh contents, but I struggled to decipher the notes about the guttules. I must get some cresyl blue (and make an aqueous solution) to categorise the guttules for myself.
Hans-Otto Baral, 05-11-2024 11:03
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hymenoscyphus geogenus on woody debris of Quercus
Yes, I wrote KB at that time (for Kresyl Blue). CRB slowly enters the cells, so it is adviced t make it a very little alcaline, then you get faster the stain to the vacuoles. But it could be that this is only seen some minutes or seconds, after the KOH kills the cells.